{"id":11976,"date":"2015-07-01T17:16:42","date_gmt":"2015-07-01T15:16:42","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.nmz.de\/badblog\/?p=11976"},"modified":"2015-07-01T17:18:11","modified_gmt":"2015-07-01T15:18:11","slug":"11976","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.nmz.de\/badblog\/2015\/07\/01\/11976\/","title":{"rendered":"An interview with Dan Tramte &#8211; creator of Score Follower channel on youtube (part 1)"},"content":{"rendered":"<blockquote><p>Probably most of you have at some point used youtube to read scores along with the music. There are many fantastic videos around which follow the music exactly and turn the pages for you. Although many of these videos are for classical music there are dedicated channels especially for contemporary music, and they feature a lot of music that would probably be hard to get as scores.<br \/>\nBut who are the great people behind these efforts? Are they doing it as a hobby? Are they composers themselves? What drives them to put so much work into something that benefits the modern music community as a whole?<br \/>\nI took the opportunity to speak to Dan Tramte, creator of \u201cScore Follower\u201d channel and caretaker of \u201cIncipitsify\u201d channel, to answer these questions. Thanks so much to Dan for doing this (and for your patience)!<br \/>\nThe interview will be published in 2 parts\u2026.<br \/>\n(Moritz Eggert)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div id=\"attachment_11977\" style=\"width: 228px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blogs.nmz.de\/badblog\/files\/2015\/07\/Dan-Tramte.jpg?ssl=1\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-11977\" data-attachment-id=\"11977\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/blogs.nmz.de\/badblog\/2015\/07\/01\/11976\/dan-tramte\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blogs.nmz.de\/badblog\/files\/2015\/07\/Dan-Tramte.jpg?fit=570%2C785&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"570,785\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Dan Tramte\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blogs.nmz.de\/badblog\/files\/2015\/07\/Dan-Tramte.jpg?fit=570%2C785&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-11977 size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blogs.nmz.de\/badblog\/files\/2015\/07\/Dan-Tramte.jpg?resize=218%2C300&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Dan Tramte\" width=\"218\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blogs.nmz.de\/badblog\/files\/2015\/07\/Dan-Tramte.jpg?resize=218%2C300&amp;ssl=1 218w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blogs.nmz.de\/badblog\/files\/2015\/07\/Dan-Tramte.jpg?w=570&amp;ssl=1 570w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 218px) 100vw, 218px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-11977\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Dan Tramte<\/p><\/div>\n<p><strong>1) Tell us a little about yourself \u2013 how did you get involved in contemporary music? Where do you live and work?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2022 My name is Dan Tramte, and I am a composer who frequently works with electronic and video mediums. I recently completed a PhD in music composition \/ computer music media at the University of North Texas. I am now based in Somerville, MA and currently work as a teaching assistant at Harvard University, where I teach courses in musicianship. I started getting into new music when I studied percussion in undergrad. I performed a number of contemporary works due to the simple fact that some of the most interesting percussion repertoire began to appear only in recent history. I enjoyed the performance practice of interpreting difficult scores, unraveling complex rhythms, and finding practical ways of consistently executing these challenging and thus rewarding works.<br \/>\nAs a listener then, I would still roll my eyes at the sounds of Webern, Carter, etc., but I respected those works on an intellectual level. I\u2019m not exactly sure when I began to sincerely enjoy listening to new music; it was a gradual process. I will say, however, that YouTube played a major roll in the process. When I saw these visualizations of Xenakis\u2019s works, Metastasis<\/p>\n<div class=\"video-container\"><span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/n2O8bMlEijg?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=de-DE&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span><\/div>\n<p>and Mycenae Alpha,<\/p>\n<div class=\"video-container\"><span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/yztoaNakKok?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=de-DE&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span><\/div>\n<p>they gave me concrete contexts for these terrifying pieces, and I could at least sort of understand them on both intellectual and affective levels. Now I\u2019m a junky for the stuff.<\/p>\n<p><strong>2) How did the youtube channel Score Follower come about? When did you start it?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2022 I created the channel in 2013 shortly after a few of my works were featured on the channel, Incipitsify. I was incredibly grateful to that channel not only because it helped to disseminate my work, but also because I was studying for my doctoral qualification exams at the time, and it helped me improve my knowledge of repertoire without having to go to the library, log into Naxos, and turn pages at the right time. So much was becoming available on such an open platform, and that inspired me. Since I happen to enjoy making videos, and since I like to think that I have good taste in new music, I thought I\u2019d give it a try.<\/p>\n<p><strong>3) How did you get involved with Incipitsify and who started that particular channel?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2022 A couple months ago, I received a short email from the original owner of Incipitsify, Josh, asking if I could take over his channel (for personal reasons). I knew that I would not be able to maintain the level of activity on both channels, so I divvied up the ownership of Incipitsify with two of my likeminded friends from North Texas, Ermir Bejo and Zach Thomas. Though the two channels will continue to remain separate, I am merging them into a single project (more info <a href=\"http:\/\/www.scorefollower.com\/the-project.html\">here<\/a>:). I have since put together a team, and we are in full operation (the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.scorefollower.com\/the-team.html\">team<\/a>: )<\/p>\n<p><strong>4) Who was the first to present scores and recordings in the way you now do? Did the idea start in the contemporary music scene or did it come from somewhere else?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2022 I really don\u2019t know the entire history because so many channels have been deleted due to copyright infringement, and while I do listen to pre-20th c. music, I don\u2019t follow that music closely enough to know those channels particularly well. I get the sense that the recording+score genre has been around since the early days of YouTube, and perhaps even earlier, but I\u2019m fairly sure that contemporary music didn\u2019t really pick up the idea until the early 2010s with channels like Michael Nelson (recently deleted for copyright strikes), John11inch (also recently deleted), and p0lyph0nyXX (still alive\u2026 also a friend of mine in real life). I think it was Incipitsify, though, that lead a significant \u2018boom\u2019 in the movement beginning sometime in late 2012. Recently, more and more composers make videos of their own works in this manner as well.<\/p>\n<p><strong>5) How long does it take to create these videos? Has the process been streamlined or does it remain very time consuming?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2022 The length of time it takes to make these videos varies substantially according to the length of the work, formatting of the pages\/systems, and the difficulty level of the score. I want to give you a thorough answer, though, so let\u2019s look at each step:<\/p>\n<p>Step A. Discover music (I spend a LOT of time at concerts, on soundcloud, youtube, and social networks to keep apprised of current activities) [ongoing task]<br \/>\nStep B. Contact composer &amp; obtain materials [\u2248 5 min.]<br \/>\nStep C. Extract each page of the score into individual PDFs [\u2248 2 min.]<br \/>\nStep D. Convert each page into a high resolution PNG file (automated process) [\u2248 30 sec.]<br \/>\nStep E. Crop images [\u2248 10-15 min.]<br \/>\nStep F. Import media into video editing software [\u2248 10 min.]<br \/>\nStep G. Line up images with corresponding audio (i.e., turn the pages at appropriate points in time) [\u2248 30 min. &#8211; 1 hr.]<br \/>\nStep H. Export video, upload copies to Dropbox &amp; Youtube [\u2248 20 min. (though mostly AFK)]<br \/>\nStep I. Have composer review the video by sending him\/her a link to a private video, and make sure the page turns are copacetic. Also, if there are any major issues with the performance, I\u2019ll have the composer contact the performers and make sure they are okay with having the video public (only in the case that they were not already contacted). [\u2248 5 min.]<br \/>\nStep J. Share on social networks. [\u2248 10 min.]<\/p>\n<p>TOTAL: On average, 2 hr. per video.<\/p>\n<p>Some pieces don\u2019t require cropping, and\/or have obvious page turns, so I can complete them in well under an hour. There are other cases, however, in which the piece is over an hour in duration, or the notation might not signify the aural result in an intuitive manner, or there is a lack of aural\/visual cues, or maybe there\u2019s an error in the performance that makes it extremely difficult for me to determine the page turns. Therefore some pieces require me to spend several hours learning the notational system, and searching for cues that a performer may have unintentionally omitted.<br \/>\nNeedless to say, it is a lot of work, but I only spend a few hours per week working on these tasks. When I started, I figured that I could simply binge-watch two less episodes of whatever show I was watching\u2014I believe it was Breaking Bad at the time\u2014per week, and instead, do something productive.<br \/>\n<strong><br \/>\n6) What are the main challenges converting scores into videos? Is there stuff you can\u2019t do? What are the limitations, what are the advantages?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2022 I can only think of one main limitation. You know how annoying it is when somebody takes footage with their mobile device in portrait mode? Since the portrait frame displays perpendicular to the 16&#215;9 landscape frame that YouTube uses, the video becomes so small because of all the wasted space. Unless you have a vertical computer monitor, or you\u2019re watching on an iPad, there\u2019s only so far you can zoom in to view the detail of the video. Likewise, I think you will find that most of the videos uploaded to Incipitsify and Score Follower are of solo or small chamber ensembles because we can easily squeeze a system or two within the frame and fill up most of the space. Orchestral, or other tall scores unfortunately do not display well within the landscape format. I guess this is an interesting issue in that we are not promoting as much repertoire for large ensembles\u2014and these are precisely the ones that need promotion the most!<\/p>\n<p>TO BE CONTINUED<\/p>\n<div class=\"shariff shariff-align-left shariff-widget-align-left\" style=\"display:none\"><div class=\"ShariffHeadline\"> <\/div><ul class=\"shariff-buttons theme-default orientation-horizontal buttonsize-small\"><li class=\"shariff-button mastodon shariff-nocustomcolor\" style=\"background-color:#563ACC\"><a href=\"https:\/\/s2f.kytta.dev\/?text=An%20interview%20with%20Dan%20Tramte%20%E2%80%93%20creator%20of%20Score%20Follower%20channel%20on%20youtube%20%28part%201%29 https%3A%2F%2Fblogs.nmz.de%2Fbadblog%2F2015%2F07%2F01%2F11976%2F\" title=\"Bei Mastodon teilen\" aria-label=\"Bei Mastodon teilen\" role=\"button\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\" class=\"shariff-link\" style=\"; background-color:#6364FF; color:#fff\" target=\"_blank\"><span class=\"shariff-icon\" style=\"\"><svg width=\"75\" height=\"79\" viewBox=\"0 0 75 79\" fill=\"none\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\"><path d=\"M37.813-.025C32.462-.058 27.114.13 21.79.598c-8.544.621-17.214 5.58-20.203 13.931C-1.12 23.318.408 32.622.465 41.65c.375 7.316.943 14.78 3.392 21.73 4.365 9.465 14.781 14.537 24.782 15.385 7.64.698 15.761-.213 22.517-4.026a54.1 54.1 0 0 0 .01-6.232c-6.855 1.316-14.101 2.609-21.049 1.074-3.883-.88-6.876-4.237-7.25-8.215-1.53-3.988 3.78-.43 5.584-.883 9.048 1.224 18.282.776 27.303-.462 7.044-.837 14.26-4.788 16.65-11.833 2.263-6.135 1.215-12.79 1.698-19.177.06-3.84.09-7.692-.262-11.52C72.596 7.844 63.223.981 53.834.684a219.453 219.453 0 0 0-16.022-.71zm11.294 12.882c5.5-.067 10.801 4.143 11.67 9.653.338 1.48.471 3 .471 4.515v21.088h-8.357c-.07-7.588.153-15.182-.131-22.765-.587-4.368-7.04-5.747-9.672-2.397-2.422 3.04-1.47 7.155-1.67 10.735v6.392h-8.307c-.146-4.996.359-10.045-.404-15.002-1.108-4.218-7.809-5.565-10.094-1.666-1.685 3.046-.712 6.634-.976 9.936v14.767h-8.354c.109-8.165-.238-16.344.215-24.5.674-5.346 5.095-10.389 10.676-10.627 4.902-.739 10.103 2.038 12.053 6.631.375 1.435 1.76 1.932 1.994.084 1.844-3.704 5.501-6.739 9.785-6.771.367-.044.735-.068 1.101-.073z\"\/><defs><linearGradient id=\"paint0_linear_549_34\" x1=\"37.0692\" y1=\"0\" x2=\"37.0692\" y2=\"79\" gradientUnits=\"userSpaceOnUse\"><stop stop-color=\"#6364FF\"\/><stop offset=\"1\" stop-color=\"#563ACC\"\/><\/linearGradient><\/defs><\/svg><\/span><span class=\"shariff-text\">teilen<\/span>&nbsp;<\/a><\/li><li class=\"shariff-button bluesky shariff-nocustomcolor\" style=\"background-color:#84c4ff\"><a href=\"https:\/\/bsky.app\/intent\/compose?text=An%20interview%20with%20Dan%20Tramte%20%E2%80%93%20creator%20of%20Score%20Follower%20channel%20on%20youtube%20%28part%201%29 https%3A%2F%2Fblogs.nmz.de%2Fbadblog%2F2015%2F07%2F01%2F11976%2F \" title=\"Bei Bluesky teilen\" aria-label=\"Bei Bluesky teilen\" role=\"button\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\" class=\"shariff-link\" style=\"; 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There are many fantastic videos around which follow the music exactly and turn the pages for you. Although many of these videos are for classical music there are dedicated channels especially for contemporary music, and they feature a lot of music that would probably be hard to get as scores.<br \/>\nBut who are the great people behind these efforts? Are they doing it as a hobby? Are they composers themselves? 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